from which such simultaneity is observed. This view requires what is (to my mind) the obscure claim that an eternal observer observes a temporal event as temporally present, and so requires that divine eternity should have some of the features of temporality. These are rather opaque ideas, and their difficulty is compounded by the fact that the idea of ET-simultaneity appears to be devised simply to stipulate the absence of transitivity and hence the absence of the reductio ad absurdum of the idea